Questionable matter...

[wwillis1]

Billy will not be around for a bit, it would appear. He's a wee bit indisposed.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/86749_sexslave12ww.shtml

[LeeCHeSSS]

By God, if that turns out to be true (I sincerely hope not), I really don't know what to do with the situation.

(Apparently, Billy is still being held with a bail of $250k - various other newssites cover the story as well)

[PaVel]

scary :x

[wwillis1]

The arrest occurred on the 6th or 7th. I saw the article over the weekend, but did not look at it. But today I was scanning the news articles during lunch and saw his name, and it was someone that I know. It has not been a good day for me - to find out that a friend was caught doing this kind of stuff.

[Dust]

Oh my god...

... I can only hope that it isn't true. Other than that, I don't know what to say. Man, that's terrible...

[Megamieuwsel]

The sad part is : Even when found innocent he's condemned nonetheless.
That fuckin' yankee attitude of spelling out the entire name of the accused(note : NOT the convicted...) is a shame on the face of this planet.
It blatantly violates the rule of "Innocent untill proven otherwise".

[LeeCHeSSS]

Innocent is very relative here...

Raping and beating up a man isn't really something that's acceptable, consensual or not.

Anyway, I've hidden/disabled all of his games for now.

[SponkleofInfini]

Damn damn damn, this is very bad indeed.

[BigRedRod]

I really have no idea what to say

I just hope it isn't true

[Cadogan Trahem]

The sad part is : Even when found innocent he's condemned nonetheless.
That fuckin' yankee attitude of spelling out the entire name of the accused(note : NOT the convicted...) is a shame on the face of this planet.
It blatantly violates the rule of "Innocent untill proven otherwise".

Down here in Aus some people don't like it when -guilty- persons of horrid crimes (Rape, Pedophilia etc) are named. I honestly believe that if anyone has been -proven- to have Raped or do something as equally bad, they should be named (I most certainly want to know who to distance myself and my family from more so if this person is from an area I live in, or if im a employer). Prior to that I believe that its wrong to name the person who is only -accused- of a crime. I mean I can accuse my sock puppet here of murder - Yes Mr. Peppy I mean you. The problem with the American Public is that over the years the difference between Accused and Guilty has become so blured that it doesn't seem to exist anymore.... Mr Peppy Stop looking at me like that.

Furthermore the lives of people who are accused and found not guilty are hard enough, sometimes you must wonder if going to gaol or living with people constantly beckering, pestering, or abusing them is much different. Mr. Peppy! No! Put down the Knife! ARRGGH

Sincerely White Australian Male

[BigRedRod]

yeah
It is pretty wrong that they claim to use an "innocent until proven guilty system" and then name the accused
Although I get the feeling it could be the same over here

Still once named, your gonna have a damn tough time recovering even if proven innocent

[Setzer Gabbiani]

I don't have a damn clue about any of this, but I for one am sure he's innocent. That's just sick. If at all possible, we should support him. Unfourtunately, I'm really too far away to help personally. However, I hope that everyone in the area finds themselves as character witnessess on his behalf. It's the best we can do right now. Good luck dealing with this bull, and God bless man.

[wwillis1]

In an article published over the weekend (7th - 8th) they admitted to the activities but claimed it was all consensual.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/86075_sexslave07.shtml

[Beidamon]

Where does it say it was billy?

I thought billy's real name was billy and the people it mentions arent named billy....

[wwillis1]

Billiy's given name is William Fritsch.

[PaVel]

ex-president ( and womanizer ) Bill Clinton was also named William. Americans tend to substitute it for Bill or billy

[wwillis1]

BTW folks, I did not place the message in this forum to cause a row. I placed the news into one of Billy's games to let my fellow gamers know that he was not going to be available for a while.

Personally I am quite affected by the news. I counted Billy as a friend, maybe not as a good friend since I only knew him via his participation in two of my games and my own participation in one of his. But I counted him as a friend. This news, quite frankly, floored me.

[LeeCHeSSS]

Same here.

[Megamieuwsel]

I'll chime in with that one.

Also (and here I'm speaking from personal experiences in the BDSM-scene) it isn't uncommon , the "sub" is not experiencing what he/she was expecting and bails out.
Under normal circumstances , this happens by the use of "code-words" , set in advance.
Sometimes , and I get the feeling this might very well be the case here , a lack of self-confidence prevents the "normal" route and in an attempt to "cleanse" him/herself from the "shame" by "escaping" and blaming the former "Dom(s)" of kidnapping , rape , abuse etc.....

The whole story reeks of "Missing clues" on both sides and the results show to be pretty grim.
Especially , when it happen's in a "Redneck-Area".

[Beidamon]

Dont forget billy was also fairly open about what his prefrences were, usually someone who is open about something like that isnt going to then go do a crime based off it, it just wouldn't make sence.

[BigRedRod]

That's a fair point, Mega seems to be making sense here too. But still we are doing little good sat here debating it, all we can really do is listen for the outcome :P

[tom3e]

I just want to chime in on how sad this really is, I counted Billy as a friend, though I had never physically met the man. I feel the same as Walter on this one, the news floored me.

Anyways, I hope he's innocent, but as I said before, I never met him in person, and no matter how much time you talk on the internet, you never really get to know person that way. This would just be one way that that lesson is learned.

[Kahluah]

I, too, was smacked by this one. I only recently found out he was gay aswell, and while I am personally not into the BDSM scene, I wouldn't judge him because of it. One of my personal tennets is "Whatever floats your boat." In other words, it may not do it for me, but if it works for you, it's all good.

With that said, I'm going to agree with Mega on this one, as I do know a couple of people who are into that scene. The 'transient' in question probably experienced something he was either not expecting or was not wanting to experience, and as such is blaming Billy and the other man (presumably his partner).

I sincerely hope Billy is found innocent, as he does seem a decent enough guy from the times I've spoken with him. Unfortunately, even if he is found innocent, he's screwed six ways from Sunday because the wonderful people in the journalism and legal systems all decided to release his FULL name, his age, and his place of residency. Smooth move, America*.

*America refers to the the legal system and the journalistic circles of said country, not to the country or people itsself.

[TheDruid20]

Well not sure how fast news travels, but all charges against me were dropped cause the cops finnaly realized the guy was a total liar. I am back home in Philly, living with family for now with a horrid, if frequent computer conection. Honestly I knew the guy was there but had little interaction with him, I never trusted him, he seamed "off" to me. Fortunatly for me, when the charges were dropped the FBI had gotten involved and they ruled it was 100% consentual based on the PHYSICHAL evidence and there were no case, and no reason I should have ever been arrested, except the small town attitude of the local sherrif.

Very touched by alot of your statements. Most especially Walter's. As Bied said, and Danny can attest to, I am not secretive about my intrests. Yes it doesn't come up unless we talk alot, but not in denial. I was in a very bad relationship period and he was driving me toward more extreme ends then I myself cared for. But I am now out of that -this group kept me sane the last few months I was there in Portland with him.

BTW worked up a non-human or demihuman world, animal based, and a new magic system is anyone is willing to help me hash it out or let me bounce stuff off them!!!

[PaVel]

shoot!
but please, not with live ammo

[PaVel]

Originally posted by Kahluah
I sincerely hope Billy is found innocent, as he does seem a decent enough guy from the times I've spoken with him. Unfortunately, even if he is found innocent, he's screwed six ways from Sunday because the wonderful people in the journalism and legal systems all decided to release his FULL name, his age, and his place of residency. Smooth move, America*.

*America refers to the the legal system and the journalistic circles of said country, not to the country or people itsself.

well, america is know/notorious for it's tendancy to sue everyone.

[Megamieuwsel]

Good to hear that , Billy. :)
Glad you're out in the free again.
(Although I assume , you have to "fight the local prejudicial attitude now , in which I wish you all the strength you can muster.)

[LeeCHeSSS]

He moved away from Portland.

[Setzer Gabbiani]

*America refers to the the legal system and the journalistic circles of said country, not to the country or people itsself.
I don't really mind how you say of America. Even if you didn't say it, this place is screwed up. I mean, look at the dumbass we got in the White House right now. He's leading us into Vietnam II with desert, just because his daddy couldn't finish what he started. If I ever get enough money, I'm learning another language and moving out of the country.

Now that I've ranted as such, all you non-natives can say what you really want to. At least until we piss off LeeCHeSSS. As long as the system half worked, I can stand being here for a few more years.

[Skreem]

Just a minor comment - Setzer, I'm not sure what your knowledge of history is, but the afformentioned impending war is NOTHING like Vietnam. And honestly, I wish Bush senior hadn't listened to the American public's cries of outrage during Desert Storm and completed the scheduled mission to take out the raving madman then!

[Setzer Gabbiani]

What I mean by Vietnam II is that it is completely unneccessary. Bush can go on about pre-emptive strikes as much as he wants, but sending people out to die when they don't have to is beneath my contempt. We didn't/don't have to, and people died/probably will. Hence the mentioning of Vietnam.

[Beidamon]

Raving madman? It seems to describe the US president better then the leader of iraq. Answer me this, who is the one looking for peaceful resolution and who is the bloodthirsty guy out for war at any cost?

[Skreem]

Do you honestly believe that Sadam really wants a peaceful solution? Do you honestly believe that he isn't lieing through his teeth? Can you honestly tell me that he has shown signs of a desire for peace except to save his sorry hide?
If you said yes to any of the above, I may have a bridge to sell you :)

[Beidamon]

Yes, i do believe he honestly wants peace. Sadam didnt attack the US, and never had any intention to. In fact, iraq has a taped phone conversation with the american ambassidor, if im not mistaken, where they specifically asked if the US would be opposed to the invasion and the US told them they wouldnt. So yes, i think sadam wants peace, because he never intended to fight america.

Now back to the point, none of that proves that sadam is raving mad, and none of it disproves that bush isnt raving mad. Get back to the point and stop making foolish arguments.

Before you question if sadam wants a peaceful solution maybe you should look at bush's actions, and at the fact that iraq doesnt, nor ever has had reason to fight the US. So really, just get a clue.

and no, i dont want your bridge. You likely bought it just because your government told you it was a great thing to buy, and now your stuck with your own mess.

[Skreem]

and at the fact that iraq doesnt, nor ever has had reason to fight the US. So really, just get a clue.

Uhm... that's not what this is about... of course he doesn't want to fight the US. The current point is that he has broken terms assigned to him by the United Nations, and the US is the policing country (due to the laws/regulations of the UN and prior terms). This also has to do with the "war against terrorism". This is not because Sadam is attempting to declare war against the US.

[Beidamon]

and yet america said that they would go to war without the UN's consent if need be, so dont hide behind the UN.

[Skreem]

For the sake of the rest of the board, I'm not going to discuss this further here. Neither the time nor the place.

Everyone is welcome to their opinions and interpretations

[SponkleofInfini]

This board is not the place t discuss such issues, this is a dnd board, not a current affairs board. If you want to argue your poiont of views argue via another board or messenger program.

[LeeCHeSSS]

Well look at that, you guys are wise enough to "moderate" your own mistakes. Indeed, this thread is about politics; a no-no subject.

And Sponkle, I must correct you: this is an RPG board, not just D&D :)

[SponkleofInfini]

Fair enough.........Go RPG's woot

[itches]

thats right, now if you were to roleplay your discussion of such issues .... :yum:

[Setzer Gabbiani]

Yes, someone really needs to cast epic holy smite on Iuz for what he's trying to do to the city of Greyhawk.