OOC chat thread (Participants only pls)

[Pygysys]

*Laughs* That's funny. Anyway gotta go, lectures start in 30 minutes and I have two of them before coming home. Back then. Later all.

[Wired*Nun]

By "the other two" in the Raevyn, Roland, and Kat thread, you mean Joss and Kat, right? Rae will have to find something else to do until the actual party, unless she's supposed to show up for rehearsal too...or I can wait a bit. :)
Correct, Joss, Kat and Roland and their parents are expected.

[Knarr]

Due to circumstances waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond my control, I will have to leaving our game. I crave your pardon if this inconveniences anyone. I consider it a shame since I believe you are an amusing bunch of folks.
I hope you all do well in your game and that you enjoy yourselves immensely.

Best wishes,
Michael (Knarr/Joss)

[LynMars]

:( Sorry to hear that. Hope whatever it is works out well. I'll miss having the chance to have you as brother IC'ly. Later!

[Shutter]

Take care. Hope it comes out ok. Sail on back if you can.

[Pygysys]

Sorry to see you go, take care and be good. Hope it all works out.

[Thanos]

Life is a box of rocks, all of them will chip your teeth and give you an upset stomach. :-(

Wish you could stay Karr. Hope you come back here and again to see the story move forward though.

[TreyKincaide]

I'll throw in the hat and say that I'm sorry to see you go. I was looking forward to interacting with Joss (hopefully not on the business end of his fist) eventually. I hope your situation changes for the best.

[chalice]

Take care, Michael. Hope things work out.

[Thanos]

Hrmmm, with Joss no longer having a player it changes things a bit. I wonder if Wired-Nun will NPC they guy, just have him wonder off forever, become some kind of new plot twist or just edit the guy out a bit into nothingness.......we shall have to wait and find out :-)

[Wired*Nun]

Well, I gave Knarr the option of what to do with Joss, we shall see if he replies. If he doesn't care, he'll probably be around, hate to waste a good character.

[Wired*Nun]

Check your private forums. If you don't see anything in particular, this doesn't apply to you.

[Thanos]

Dang 6 people online :-)

[Wired*Nun]

:disa.ed: Yes, and waiting on the only one not here!:depry:

[Thanos]

then put a post in there that says

"Kat's acceptance speech here"

and move on to the next part of the event.

When Kat gets online and posts then you can copy paste it where it belongs and the storyline stays smooth :-)

[Wired*Nun]

True. I don't like hurrying, but I don't like waiting either. I suppose I think linearly. I shall take your suggestion. Everyone please feel free to play "Make the GM go 'DOH!' any time."

[Pygysys]

Sorry guys, have posted. Can get hard when getting ready for uni at the same time. Back in an hour. Have fun.

[Thanos]

Excellent timing then :-)

[Thanos]

GO WIRED-NUN GO!

" Julian turns to Roland and gives him a sardonic smile, and gestures"

WOOOOO WOOOO!

Very Julian like, laying the bull**** on thick!

[Wired*Nun]

Hey, I'm a Bodak. What the hell is a Bodak?

[Shutter]

This (http://nightmare.org/dnd/archive/artwork/mm/Bodak.jpg) apparently is a Bodak. Pretty nifty looking if you ask me.

[LynMars]

an undead with a killing gaze attack, according to my DnD gm...don't know much beyond that...

[LynMars]

*reads Landon's thread.*

LOL

Sweet! I like that a lot! Interesting way of getting characters together...

[Shutter]

I'm going to take a break from trying to write a brief speech to do a little dance for having guessed something correctly:) <dances> Good. Now, back to the writing...yeesh, harder than I'd thought it would be.

[Wired*Nun]

We does what we cans.

[TreyKincaide]

I dance along with Shutter. Yay!

[Thanos]

I guess its better than one approach I took where a PC found another PC locked in a room hung upside down on an X cross with hot oil dripping in places you don't want to imagine. She was a Vampire so it wasn't deadly....but I was in a cruel mood that day. ;-)

[TreyKincaide]

LOL. Vampire exists for the ST be cruel. Most gaming circles around here don't realize that there are better ways of dealing with enemies other than final death/diablerie.

[Wired*Nun]

Oh yeah...one of my nasty NPCs has roses...blood roses...he had Kindred blood dispensers suspended above the roses...

[Thanos]

Trey,

It seems that the gaming circle has little experience with Princes in Cam cities that will kill you for killing another that isn't strictly out of self defense. There are few that will cross the Prince in this, as he has the power (usually) to call out the entire city to hunt those that crossed the line.
Dealing with another without killing them is the art of Vampire.

[Wired*Nun]

d'accord.

[LynMars]

Thanos, if we could only get out LARPers to understand that...and that they shouldn't fight on/destroy Elysiums...that status matters more than such silly notions like "truth" and "evidence"...that politiccing your enemies is much more fun...and DON'T give the Tremere Regent 5 traits of your blood so she can "magic" your weapons...Spirit Thaum is so handy, and now if the Seneschal ever crosses me...well, that's what "Night of the Red Heart" is for....

[Pygysys]

I'm going to take a break from trying to write a brief speech to do a little dance for having guessed something correctly:) <dances> Good. Now, back to the writing...yeesh, harder than I'd thought it would be.
Try writing it first thing in the morning around 6am. :P Had some idea of what Kat was going to say but couldn't really piece it together until I'd heard Benedict's speech.

As for the Bodak GM, I'll be hiding, on the roof, away from his gaze and sword. ;)

[LynMars]

*is all proud of herself for helping Trey figure out the puzzle much faster than last time*

[Pygysys]

We have a saying in Amber, which I think applies sometimes in Vampire: Death is not the problem it used to be.

Besides, where's the fun in death, final or otherwise? I'd rather see my enemies squirm, squirm and squirm some more.

[Thanos]

Yes, but I have a feeling that there are role players here instead of roll players, if you get my meaning.

[Pygysys]

Yes, I get your meaning. :) I'm glad and fortunate that my own gaming group for face to face games are the prior as opposed to the latter. Just wish it applied more to some MUSHers I've known over the years. Ignore the dice people, POSE! :)

[Wired*Nun]

Whats a MUSH? Whats a POSE?, and - oh yeah, I can't delay this any longer, I don't think Knarr is going to give me any guidance beyond what he already did (which was, "do with Joss what you will"). Shoe dropping in a moment.

[TreyKincaide]

MUSH = Multi User Shared Hallucation

It's a MUD that's supposed to be roleplay intensive. As far as POSE...you got me...here I thought I was hip on these youngsters' lingo. :)

[LynMars]

quite the show to drop...edited, rather than make a whole new post...will let the others react, I think...wow...

[Thanos]

I think Giddy describes my feelings right now :-)

[Pygysys]

The word I would use is not fit for human consumption! ;) Just kidding, but I wish I was on Raevyn's balcony. :P

And 'pose' is simply your pose; your actions, words, etc., typed up for the people in the same 'room' aka location of the database, to see and thus react to.

For the most part MUSHes are indeed roleplay centric, but like all games no matter what the format, you will find people more concerned about stats and dice rolls than actually roleplay.

[Icebird]

I was waiting for something like that to happen- it seemed just a little too calm...

On a different subject, I'm now a ghoul! If anyone dies, I get dibs on the leg bones!

[Wired*Nun]

yay, shutter is here, post up boyo!

[TreyKincaide]

*passes Icebird a thigh bone*

"Need salt with that?"

LOL. Congrats.

[Wired*Nun]

Going to bed in about 10 mins, 2am is late enough on a work night.

[Shutter]

In regards to the "thing" Kat wondered about in her post...was that the wall that sprung up over the balconey, or was there some other "thing" that manifested?

[Wired*Nun]

Only the wall.

[Thanos]

I think I just did something stupid, at least it was instinctual .....but very stupid ;-)

[Shutter]

I believe that'd be a "yes" on that one. :)

[Thanos]

Told you! ;-)

[Pygysys]

Oh it's a wall? Silly me. The excitement of the moment. And yes, I agree with Shutter and Thanos, but at least it adds some punch... or in regards to the poor decapitated peasant, some edge!

And I also meant to say: 8! We have 8 online! A new record. ;)

[Shutter]

Yikes, are we all on at once? I notice the same phenomenon in the thread I run, I can't get anyone to post when it's all peaceful, but once blades are drawn and people start bleeding they're posting machines....funny thing.

And Dave, you better not be going to sleep on us just yet :)

[Thanos]

I always wanted to have a dramatic enterence ;-)

[Thanos]

He's writting, writting, writting... I can hear the keys getting tapped....all the way from Germany!

[Thanos]

Hrmmm, I am heading home from work. I will be 10 minutes, so Wired is likely going to be off to bed, not that it matters much, being unconcious and getting trampled and all ;-)

[Shutter]

I'm sure someone will politely poke you with a stick to see if you're still alive or not.

[LynMars]

Query: Is Heldrick the man Raevyn noticed earlier?

[Wired*Nun]

He's writting, writting, writting... I can hear the keys getting tapped....all the way from Germany!
Belgium.

"Here's Scotland, Here's Ireland, and HERE'S THE BLOODY SEA!!!"

[Shutter]

No Heldrick is bigger than that guy....not that you were asking me.

Am I correct that no one but Kat and Roland are left on the balconey?

[Wired*Nun]

Query: Is Heldrick the man Raevyn noticed earlier?
Nope. No resemblance. Well, very little.

[Wired*Nun]

No Heldrick is bigger than that guy....not that you were asking me.

Am I correct that no one but Kat and Roland are left on the balconey?
Correct. If I missed anyone, I meant to clear the balcony.

[chalice]

sleep...who needs sleep?

[Shutter]

Sleep? Bah! I was alseep once, wasn't that big a deal.

[Wired*Nun]

I'm still here...but my back is starting to hurt, which is what happens when I type for four hours straight. I will have to pause soon...

[Shutter]

I'm amazed you're still thinking straight after the volume of narrative and plot work you've done today.

Nice work man!

[Thanos]

Please note what happens to your character when you make the wrong assumtions.
[looks at crispified guy on ground]
Hrmmm, smells well done.

[LynMars]

Depending on if "Crispy's" close enough, I may check on ya, Thanos. :) Poor Rae...she was really looking forward to having a brother...Interesting way to forward plot; Joss as a plot device will not be easily exhausted...

[Thanos]

Heh.... probably a good thing Heldrik didn't make it through.... if he had Benedicts, Julians, and heaven forbit Gerards reflexes would have made him very dead.....

[Wired*Nun]

Thanks, and thanks. I think I'm done for now.
Nite all.

[Thanos]

Good night and sweet dreams :-)

[LynMars]

Sleep, Dave! post again in the morning! Sleep is good! It is your friend!

[Shutter]

Hmmm...should I assume the call went through, or do I need Dave to tell me it did? I can't recall the general guidelines, particularly for the "when people start dying" setting.

[LynMars]

Even with Trump ID, the way he said that makes me very very :nervous:

[Shutter]

Exactly why I'm holding off.....ooh the suspense!

[TreyKincaide]

You are getting very sleepy....

[Pygysys]

... hungry, I'm getting hungry...

[Thanos]

Same here.... Panda Express anyone?

[Pygysys]

I'll bite... Panda express?

[TreyKincaide]

Damnit. I'm hungry too, now. Ugh. Looks like I'll be dragging Lici out for a bite to eat if I can pry her away.

[Thanos]

Ah, its an americanized Chinese fast food place..... gooooood orange chicken ;-)
My room mate likes the noodles Chow Mein?

[Pygysys]

My solution is simple: a bacon and cheese roll filled with jarlsberg cheese, danish salami and roast turkey. Not bad if I do say so myself. :)

[TreyKincaide]

*cries as he's tortured*

Must get sustenaaaaaannnnncccceeee! :tsk:

[Thanos]

I have to say that Wired-Nun certianly did a good job of a cliff hanger. Left 3 of you guys hanging and me laying ;-) Makes the antisipation intense!

[TreyKincaide]

Yeah, poor guy. Hope he survives at work tomorrow.

[LynMars]

*cries!*

I wanna knoooowwwww!

Oh well.

Stealing my boyfriend now for fooding....

[Pygysys]

Well I'm going to call it a day for now and be back in the afternoon. Might stay up late tonight for the action, as I don't have such an early start tomorrow... Later all. :)

[Thanos]

I will head to bed early and wake up early before work to see what happens ;-)

I am sure I will soon be on or close to Wire-Nun's schedule ;-)

[Pygysys]

Oh and it's just occured to me (hence my return) that Roland is to blame for all this stuff on the balcony. Honestly though, the lengths and extremes he's gone to avoid swearing fealty to Random is insane. :P

Wouldn't a simple bathroom trip have sufficed? ;)

[LynMars]

You do realize Rae's going to be an emotional wreck after this, right? :)

[Shutter]

Ouch, cheap shot:(

[Wired*Nun]

You do realize Rae's going to be an emotional wreck after this, right? :)
Welcome to the Garden of the Real.

[Pygysys]

Ouch, cheap shot:(
Okay, okay, it was a bit below the belt. I'm sorry. :cry:

[Wired*Nun]

Okay, okay, it was a bit below the belt. I'm sorry. :cry:
"It was a very foul blow, about four inches below the belt, and it left him on his knees..." (RZ, NPIA)

[LynMars]

My fault, sorta, for the fast forward; woke up in the middle of the night and came on here and posted again. :)

[Pygysys]

I'm happy to slow up... planning on a somewhat late night tonight, well later than normal. :)

[TreyKincaide]

"It was a very foul blow, about four inches below the belt, and it left him on his knees..." (RZ, NPIA)

Come on and give the orderlies a break... lol

[TreyKincaide]

Running late. Gotta jet.

[Wired*Nun]

For those who may not have noticed, I have finished posting the whole Lintra story. It gets a little complicated in the middle...if anyone has questions or comments please post them. AZ12 has tentatively accepted it for publication, barring any legal issues :O , it may not qualify as "game fiction," I guess that's up to Wujcik as he has the final say and the license to publish.

Interestingly, I guess Wolk has gotten over our differences, at least to the extent that he sent me a short but civil e-mail giving me instructions for how he would like me to use Siodmak as an NPC. So, you all may have to put up with my interpretation of the character. Life is pain!

[Thanos]

It is an interesting thing. There are very few state functions with the public in Amber. There tend to be shootings, bombs, etc.

For a place that is the center of Order in the universe, it sure can be chaotic at times.
Heh.

[LynMars]

More creepy Siodmak! The character really is too interesting to just drop. Rae still thinks he wants to eat her, and any way you take that, it's kind of a scary thought. :paranoid:

As for Joss, another good character...eep!:cry: ...But in Amber, death is never really a sure thing, so I won't be surprised if Dave has some weird trump (ha!) up his sleeve.

And why wouldn't the story count as game fiction? Is it because it's so entrenched in a canon event, about canon characters, told from the perspective of one? If it's presented as a backstory for a character, their secret history, then you would think it would be okay...But I'm not too up on all that legal stuff...

[Wired*Nun]

Well, he did grow up a starving cannibal child...

As far as legalities, it rests upon how they define game fiction and how they define an "Amber story." To my mind, it's pretty iffy, but it also depends on how The Amber Corporation tends to view things. Because AZ is fan-fiction, and does not generate large revenues, I imagine they wouldn't mind too much.

[Wired*Nun]

Hey does anyone know how to save all these forums to my hard drive, short of copying and pasting everything, or doing "save as" on every thread page?

[Wired*Nun]

I have posted the completed game philosophy thread. Please take a look at it; I suspect for most of you it will be old hat, and understood. However, it never hurts to codify these things. Please comment in the game questions and answers thread.

[Pygysys]

Right, I'm off to uni for the day, won't be back till 2:30-3pm my time. That's 6 hours or so away. So if Kat's needed for anything, GM feel free to pose her. Later all. :)

[Thanos]

I am back and posted a little bit of something :-)

I am off all day tomorrow so I will be around to RP and chat all you guys want.

[LynMars]

I think the GM's in bed at the moment, so none of us are doing anything until much later tonight/early tomorrow...for me, anyway :D And just when I want to know who's trumping Roland!

[Thanos]

Kat was who I was likely going to be talking to, even though when he sees your character he might just go out again ;-)

[Shutter]

I think the GM's in bed at the moment
What! Who let Dave go to sleep?

[Pygysys]

And in what I consider a miracle, given my universities resources in this regard, I have found a computer not being utilised by another student. So here I am, posting for the next 30 minutes or so till my next class. Go me.

Also today being Friday for me already, it means I can stay up late tonight and be around when the rest of you wake up ... Let's stab the man in black, red and gold... I mean let's make him feel welcome in an Amber kind of way. :)

Off with his buttons!

[Shutter]

But someone let Dave escape, and now we're all alone...I'll probably have to resort to doing the work I'm supposed to be doing:O

[Pygysys]

But I can still threaten, torture and disrobe Heldrik right? Just kidding... honest...

His buttons are so shiny...

BTW It's my second night on the job tonight. I'll be flying solo with the pizza deliveries from the moment I walk through the door. I think it'll be another 3 or 4 shifts before the nervousness of the new job fades, due to the time delay between each shift.

[Thanos]

Hehe....... If you know the area where are the nerves coming from?

[Pygysys]

It's a big area and it's more about learning the stuff I have to do in the shop. It's not just showing up and taking a pizza to someone's house. You have to assign yourself a delivery, enter codes into the computer to denote such assignments and times of delivery - leaving the store, arriving at the destination and of course arriving back at the store... It's only my second shift, so I'm nervous.

And my reply post to your post in the thread just got swallowed. *Cries*

Phew, managed to salvage it afterall. Anyway time for my next class. Later all. :)

[Thanos]

See you later then!

[Thanos]

I guess I have to start triple reading my RPing posts.... I think I left out 3 words in my hurry to post before she left for class again :-P

[Pygysys]

I hate it when I do that, which is why I'm always previewing my posts. It allows me to read over them again and catch the slip ups, at least most of the time. :) You'll probably catch me next when I get home from work around 11pmish my time, so that's 7.5-8 hours from the posting time of this post. If that makes sense, but at least I'll be around for a few hours after that, so probably that busy time of morning at 2am my time. :P

[Cadogan Trahem]

Re: Subtracting a player from my game.

After a request by Wired*Nun to ban a player from viewing and posting in his games I reviewed his case and, to be frank, i'm disgusted at the display by both parties involved. After reviewing several long posts and posts prior to them I have come to this conclusion:

1. Neither side was satisified with the arrangement.
2. Neither side in this dispute worked to re-establish a connection between GM and Player.
3. Neither side was entirely at fault.
4. Misinformation and manipulation was involved, and comments by one party were taken out of context by the other.
5. Ultimately the people who suffer are those not directly involved in this dispute.

There is no choice for me here but to abhere to Wired*Nun's request, not because Wolkhaffen was in the wrong but because clearly neither side will make a suitable arrangement with one another and it is the GM's right to request such things of his forum. I sternly remind the parties involved though that Online-Roleplaying is a fun family enviroment, it is fine to have differences with other players but it is your responcibility to keep those differences from being intrusive or disruptive to other forum members. It is my advice that from this point onward both parties involved avoid one another when dealing with the forums and Games being held on the forums, this is not a requirement by either party however I will be greatly disappointed to discover further similar activities by this party taking place in another part of the forum.

Although Wolkhaffen will be banned from viewing and posting in Wired*Nun's games, no further action will be taken and Wolkhaffen is free to join and mingle in other games as well as interact with other members of this forum, and will otherwise experience the full extent of Online-Roleplaying's facilities.

A copy of this message will be sent to Wolkhaffen via the Private Messaging system, this message is not to be deleted or edited in any way other then by the authority of an administator.

Cadogan.

[LeeCHeSSS]

Let me point out that Cadogan's decision stands, but that you are lucky that I've been on a really busy schedule and was not aware of this issue. I would have taken a different stance that might not have been as beneficial to either sides...

[chalice]

And at the risk of seeming lightweight, can we move on?

1 - loved everyone's speeches before and during the riot
2 - award to Heldrik for Most Dramatic Entrance. Just how much Bad Stuff do you have, hm?

[Wired*Nun]

Let me point out that Cadogan's decision stands, but that you are lucky that I've been on a really busy schedule and was not aware of this issue. I would have taken a different stance that might not have been as beneficial to either sides...Sir,

I did not ask that Wolkhaffen not be allowed to view, only not allowed to post. I wasn't trying to be vindictive, only preventing any possibility of him popping in at some time and ranting. I really don't bear him any continuing animosity, despite my irritation with him at that time, and have no desire to interfere with anything else he does, except to protect my game here. I am sorry it came to this. Thanks for listening, thanks for your (collectively) support for the GM's right, despite my mistakes and lack of foresight. I was partly at fault, and entirely responsible, for this mess. I am also responsible for in-game damage control, which is, in the end, all I want to do.

V/r,

Dave

[Wired*Nun]

And at the risk of seeming lightweight, can we move on?

1 - loved everyone's speeches before and during the riot
2 - award to Heldrik for Most Dramatic Entrance. Just how much Bad Stuff do you have, hm?You don't need Bad Stuff to have bad stuff happen if you try to break through one of Fiona's wards in Amber...but yes, lots of cool points to Thanos for the attempt.

Also, sorry about last night (my time), I went to bed early expecting to wake up in the middle of the night (like I usually do when I go to bed early) but didn't. I guess I needed it. The good news is that tonight is Friday night and I don't have to worry about work in the morning. Yesterday I was hurting, I went out on my lunch hour and took a nap in my car.

[chalice]

Yay! - after this afternoon I have six whole days off work! I can re-arrange my bodyclock to game time :nod:

Only a few hours to go...

[Wired*Nun]

Anyone know if there is a limit to the number of pages or posts in a thread?

[TreyKincaide]

Well, I'm off to class. Lata!

[Wired*Nun]

Ciao!

And, everyone, on an unrelated topic, I'm reluctant to have your character do anything decisive until you actually tell me he or she is going to do it, no matter how implied it might be in the posts.

[Thanos]

It might stop at 1024, but the next increment would be 32k. With it segmented into 25 posts each link I doubt it though.

[TreyKincaide]

Ugh. Nothing's worse than realizing that you got up an hour early for nothing 'cause your class is an hour later than you thought it was. Just need to make it for another hour or so and then sleep....precious sleep.

[Shutter]

I hear in some countries it's popular to use such time to poke one's girlfriend and tell her to post in a thread:P

[Thanos]

Wired-Nun

It might be a good idea to make a new thread after 250 (10 pages) though. Pulling up the thread, even by page, that Kat/Heldrik is in is taking a lot longer than it used to......???

[LynMars]

Well, he can't poke me if I'm at work, Shutter! LOL I know on the Nice, it used to be that we had to start new threads after 200 posts, or the board would eat the post or even the whole thread. They eventually got the ubb code problem fixed, and it doesn't do it anymore, but many people still start new threads after 200 posts, out of tradition and ease of reading. I looked at some other threads on this board, and there doesn't seem to be a cut-off for number of posts, from what I can tell.

[Shutter]

Nonsense, he has mighty boyfriend powers!
Bah, work!....funny how dumping my creative energy into these posts leaves me with a lot less motivation to do the writing that work requires...

Oh, by the way, I'm typesetting the Raevyn intro section now, that's some nice RP you and the GM did. Good job Alicia/LynMars/Raevyn:)

[LynMars]

Thanks! Though now that I am finally online, everyone seems to have run away...And will probably be back while I'm in class this afternoon, though that's only an hour long...

And "The Great Big OOC Thread" up in the Public Commons forum is at 106 pages and well over 2000 posts. So I think any cutoffs will be up to you, Dave.

[chalice]

Aw - I'm here, Lyn! After being cut off for the whole afternoon by an electrical storm killing off all the machines at work, that is :tired: How're you doing?

Trey, Dave, my apologies for disappearing at a time you were waiting on Gray - my weather control sucks. Afternoon from hell, truly. I've posted in the Looking Glass thread now.

[Wired*Nun]

I think we can risk the ooc thread, and I think after today I'll start new thread when they get too big. Right now I just woke up from a nap and i'm groggy, so nothing complicated. Needd RPPPPPPP to wake me uuuuppp....

[Thanos]

RP RP RP RP!

Heh.....interesting way to wake up :-)

[Wired*Nun]

gotta run for a few hours, later all.

[Shutter]

I don't know if I'm being picky here, but as a player unacquainted with the details you're going over I don't really know what Roland just heard...lots of "the trip" "the storm" "the forest" "the escape"....I could be missreading, but I'm puzzled....maybe I just need more coffee.

[Thanos]

Some OOC backstory..... Heldrik was sequestered in a section of shadow that was 8-10 times slower than Amber... 10 years pass in Amber and 1 year passes there... Even a delay of a month from that area would amount to years in Amber :-). If you remember the end of the Corwin books, when the forces of Amber had gotten back after only a short time in Chaos it had been 3 years for Gerard back in Amber. It was about the same time difference or a bit less.

Time flow in shadow can be hell on the brain ;-). Just think, Corwin spent some 400-500 years on shadow earth...that was 175-200 years Amber time.

[Shutter]

Right, I don't really have any problem with the time flow difference. (though with a 1:10 ratio a month delay is still under a year in Amber, but that really doesn't matter)....hmmm....I probably just need to read more carefully, and with more coffee...

[Thanos]

ah yes, correct you are, little less than a year. You got some coffee ;-).

[LynMars]

I think what Shutter means is what details, exactly, are you providing to our characters, that we as players need to understand? Generalities save time typing and reading, but if Heldrik's going into any detail, it needs to be imparted in the posts. I can understand your IC and OOC reluctance to give away too much information, but we need to understand what we're hearing, at least OOC'ly, so we can react appropriately IC'ly.

Now, am I making any sense...?:?

[Wired*Nun]

Black plague came to Europe about 1347. That puts Corwin's initial loss of memory over 600 Earth years before NPIA opening, if I remember correctly.

We can chalk Heldrik's response up to his physical condition...

[Thanos]

OOCly, Thanos has not made up a large part of the backstory of the character in detail. I left sections of time open for developement for 2 reasons. When its slow, I can work on that as I choose. When its dramaticly appropriate something from his past can come into play, by either the GM or myself.

Everything that Oberon said to those at the edge of Chaos, Heldrik got as well. This told him that there were others out there, but he was trapped in the section of shadow he was in. He had to escape and used 'magic' ie pattern abilities to do so. He travelled around and finally found his way to Amber, one of the poles of existance.

Need more?

[Wired*Nun]

See the post I just posted, i think it covers it for the others' benefit.

[Shutter]

Thanks everyone, I've got the picture now:)

[Wired*Nun]

Bedtime, see you all in about eight or nine hours.

[TreyKincaide]

Ugh. Morning Dave.

[Wired*Nun]

Lol. Chalice gave me instructions for Gray...hope she comes back soon, though, I feel kind of...dirty...lol

[TreyKincaide]

lol. Just a bit hung over. I'll spring too in a little while. Just saw the most awesome card game every (being a bit sarcastic). Wizards is putting out a GI Joe CCG. While I'm a bit nostalgic from my youth, I think I'm going to pass on it even though the mechanics seem fairly sound and incredibly simplistic. There's a big theme in ccg's right now where cards are guys, resources, etc all in one. Not sure what I think of that.

[TreyKincaide]

Well, she said sometime tonight. I'm not sure of the time differential for the UK. She'll probably be around sometime later this afternoon at least by my reckoning.

[Thanos]

I think that they should make it a lot more like the Battletech CCG. Most of the resources were pretty generic, but there were some special rare ones which included people. If they did that I would be interested, specially if it was able to mesh with the Battletech game well ;-)

[TreyKincaide]

The CCG market is soooo saturated. I have yet to find a card game and stick with it for any length time since I got out of magic 6 or 7 years (it's weird when you realize you're old!) ago.

[Wired*Nun]

The only thing I would buy now is an Amber CCG. Some friends and I tried to do one once, it's not as easy as you think to design a good game...maybe that's why there are so many bad ones.

Personally I would like to see an Amber-based duelling game, where you could actually tie it to the RPG to resolve duels between Amberites, sword, magic and otherwise. I did read about one that almost got to market that was more of a "gather shadow forces and take the throne" style.

[Icebird]

I still play magic (and love it), and the only other card game that has ever interested me was the battletech one. Acually, I still have the cards sitting around somewhere.

[TreyKincaide]

I'm still trying to decide if Spycraft is good or not. I kinda like it and I kinda don't

[Icebird]

Haven't heard of that one...

[TreyKincaide]

It's kinda neat. You play cards face down with a built in bluff mechanic.

[Thanos]

Illuminati: New World Order was loads of laughs. Putting together a deck with the Pope, Bill & Hillary Clinton and face off against Bush Sr, Big Business, and OPEC was just to frelling FUN!
I also did some L5R, Star Trek, and of course MtGathering. I got started in Alpha for MtG and was out when IceAge hit. Every once in a while I get invited to play sealed booster of whatever set is coming out. If I do not win I always give my cards to the winner.

[Icebird]

I started playing about when Ice Age hit, but stopped for years becuase I couldn't find anyone to play with.

[TreyKincaide]

*Just found out the new WOD books have come out. Does a happy dance and gets ready to go pick up his reserved copies.*

[Shutter]

What is this "WoD" you speak of?

[Wired*Nun]

World of Darkness maybe? Vampire the Maquerade, et. al.

[chalice]

Back now! Thanks for 'taking care of' Gray for me, Dave:worry:

Card games - anyone else ever play any 'Over the Edge'? Or Netrunner? (Or are you all too young? Except Dave, obviously...)

Oh - found perfect 'My Little Skeleton' pic while away in London - will try to post a pic for you all when the digital camera is restored to health.

[LynMars]

World of Darkness by White Wolf. Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf the Apocalypse, Mage the Ascension, Wraith the Oblivion, Hunter the Reckoning, Demon the Fallen, Changeling the Dreaming, as well as Dark Ages versions of many of those lines. The end of the world happened, they ended all those lines. Well, some of them were ended a while ago for various reasons. But now they've revamped the entire setting, made a whole new world that has nothing to do with the old world, and have realeased a general World of Darkness rulebook, that gives the general rules of the Storyteller system (streamlined, supposedly, from the old one), and rules for making Humans. Unlike the old setting, where none of the lines were balanced against each other, this one seems to be. Everybody makes a Human from the main rulebook, then goes to, depending on what game's being run, Vampire the Requiem, Werewolf the Forsaken, or Mage the Awakening. The basic abilities, merits and flaws, combat rules, and general setting info being printed in one base book leaves more space in the other titles for more meaty stuff about those particular lines. Every supplement is supposedly going to be hardcover, and they plan on releasing only two a month, even when all three lines are in full swing.

Hopefully it doesn't suck, though there seem to be a few rules that are making us go "hrm..."

[LynMars]

As for card games, I've played a little L5R, a bit of 7th Sea, some Warlord, a little Vampire the Eternal Struggle (formerlly Jyhad). Most of these I've played at Trey's request, but I don't seem to be one for ccgs. Probably has to do with the fact they take so much money to keep up...

[Wired*Nun]

Cute. Unfortunately as soon as you change it it changes them all (the pics don't stick). So, leave it up for at least a half day.

[LynMars]

Awww...*Pets the cute little skeleton*

[chalice]

This may just work...

[Wired*Nun]

Yes, it may!

[chalice]

Huzzah!

Am technical genius!

(Well, I live with one, anyway...)

[Wired*Nun]

Welcome back everyone! I'm juiced on french toast, bacon and milk, so watch out! I think I'll go pour myself some Spaetlaese. Watch out, you never know what might come out of my brain when I've had a couple.

[LynMars]

Chalice: me too! I think that's why I keep him around...

(just kidding, babe)

that...sounds dangerous, Dave. But, uh...what exactly is Spaetlaese?

[Wired*Nun]

Well, if you imagine umlauts above the a's it's a German white semi-sweet dessert wine. One of my favorites.

[chalice]

mmmm...and very nice it is, too...me, I've beem sipping Pimms in the garden swing and now )it being after dark) moved on to red wine...

[chalice]

Not that the crap use of brackets gave that away...

[TreyKincaide]

*wishes he was somewhere of culture.*

[Wired*Nun]

Am I wrong in waiting for Shutter to post?

[Wired*Nun]

He keeps coming on and off, and I keep expecting him to post, something like "He tells them of the meeting," etc.

[LynMars]

He may have been waiting on Pygysys. And in the visitor thread, do we have yet another player? :)

Skipping ahead to the family meeting is fine by me, if no one else minds.

[Shutter]

Yeah, sorry, I was waiting to see if Pygysys wanted to get a word in....I see you've now posted, should I post telling them, or post my(our) arrival?

[Wired*Nun]

Not necessarily, I just saw that person on for a bit, i think, viewing the house rules foum. Figured I'd extend the hello.

[Wired*Nun]

Well, if there's anything important to say before the meeting, then post that, otherwise, just confirm you are there. I am going to assume that Pyg is going to get on soon and we will go forward a bit.

[LynMars]

just need Thanos and Arrotel! Then we'll really have a party!

[Pygysys]

Sorry for the late arrival this morning, needed the extra time in bed. :)

[Wired*Nun]

No problem, sleep is important. I'm going to be thinking that tomorrow, as I have to catch a couple of hours and then get up at 0530 for the base flea market (starts at 6am). Trying to clean some crap out of our lives.

[Pygysys]

I think my problem is staying up till 2-3am in the morning watching the footy replays. I know none of you are probably aware of Australian Rules Football, but it's a very exciting part of the season. This is the second last round of the competition before the finals, my team is currently 3rd playing 2nd for a shot at 2nd. If they finish 2nd, they get home finals here in Queensland as opposed to away finals in Melbourne (Victoria). So it's all very exciting stuff at the moment, especially as my team is trying to equal the record of 4 consecutive titles if they win the Premiership again this year. *Embarrassed* I love my footy. :)

[Shutter]

Roland's player may be disappearing for the day soon, even if it looks like I'm online. Hopefully I'll be able to post some more, but feel free to have him smile and nod as need be.

[Wired*Nun]

Roger roger.

[LynMars]

Nice, chalice. I liked that little bomb of yours. Very interesting backstory, and explains very well why that shadow was in such a state as well (unless I've missed my guess from the little clues provided as to what connection to Eric it had, but I don't think I have.)

[chalice]

Thanks. I aim to amuse :nod:

[Wired*Nun]

Sorry guys, time to crash for a few hours. Have some cawfee, tawk among yerselves.

[chalice]

Gray is ignorant about everything since just before Eric's death. I can see that bringing her up to speed fully in-character would be wearing for all concerned.

If someone would like to give her a copy of that nice Great Book of Amber, she could sit in a corner quietly and read indicated highlights.

And I could sneak off to get a few hours sleep... :sleep:

[Thanos]

I am around for the next few hours now, sorry for the absense before. If I know when we get together I can schedule my chores around them.

[TreyKincaide]

Well, I'm off for a pub crawl with the guys while women invade my home. If conversation continues (under the watchful eye of intimidating elders) Landon's a perfect gentleman, gossips, and appears foppish. Night all!

[Pygysys]

I'm here to converse for the next few hours with anyone who's still around. If that means Kat and whomever slip into a corner of the room to 'chat and get to know one another', that's cool. :)

[LynMars]

Invade? well, okay, yes, it's girl's night. I'll be sorta-here; we have a girlfriend dropping by to hang while the boys go drinking.

[Pygysys]

You girls need to go out drinking and leave the boys at home. ;)

We do that on occassion, including the mixed pub crawls. Still, I prefer a good night out at Cactus Jack's (Mexican place), drinking lots of sangria and margaritas and getting a good feed! I don't think we've ever had a night that the bunch of us didn't enjoy.

[LynMars]

I'm not much for bars, really, and don't drink much. Sides, our roomie tends to play House Dad a lot, and it's the 6th anniversary of our LARP...so the boys went out. We have alcohol and coffee here if we get desperate. :)

[Thanos]

Heh, I do not drink at all, hate bars mostly because of the smoke...which I do not get along with all that well.
Having some friends over for a movie, a game, go to the pool, whatever, companionship is good, drinking just gets the water muddy IMO.

[LynMars]

Really depends for me. Parties are good, though some get crazy (though Trey and I have this amazing ability to leave just before the Drama happens most of the time; it's uncanny). A few drinks are fine, not enough to make things really bad, but getting throw-up-drunk...why? What's the point? Just me, though. I like hanging with friends and just chatting and watching movies, as well.

[Pygysys]

Really depends for me. Parties are good, though some get crazy (though Trey and I have this amazing ability to leave just before the Drama happens most of the time; it's uncanny). A few drinks are fine, not enough to make things really bad, but getting throw-up-drunk...why? What's the point? Just me, though. I like hanging with friends and just chatting and watching movies, as well.
We tend to get a nice buzz going on, but in my 'yoof' I spent one too many times wishing I'd never heard of the word alcohol. I quickly learnt to curb the alcohol intake and partake without excess. So now it's good to know the value of drinking without getting fall down drunk. :evolved:

[Wired*Nun]

Back, but I'm really tired, one post and a nap is all you're prolly getting for now. Made 100 euro and cleaned out a lot of stuff, though. :P

Yeah, I'm tired, I'm starting to drift as I type. Laters.

[chalice]

Ugh...seem to have slept for half a day. London always seems to have that effect.

Sorry everyone - Gray isn't really ignoring you.

[Pygysys]

Am off to bed, back in 7-8 hours.

Kat will probably just spend the time that follows listening attentively to whatever is said. Night all.

[Thanos]

I will be back in something like 7-8 hours as well (at least from this point) as I am going to church and taking a repast with my parents and brother (after I get ready that is ;-).

[Wired*Nun]

I probably should have accompanied that last post with this one: I expect the PCs to be split into two teams. RPing seven PCs in one IG group is just too unwieldy IMO. I'd like your OOC idea about how you would like to be split. It doesn't have to be strictly logical as far as trying to "cover all the bases;" I think player preference should take precedence in this case. There is also a lot to be said for PCs who like and respect each other, or in some cases merely have some history to work with, to remain together.

My initial idea was this, just based on the natural group that formed already: Roland, Kat, Raevyn and Josh in one, Landon, Gray, Heldrik and Arrotel when he shows in the other. Roland and Kat and Raevyn seem to have established a rapport and common viewpoint. ICly, Raevyn suits Josh, he's normally quite shy with women and Lester puts off some of them, which means that it takes a certain combination of acceptance of his friend and demure personality to not become stressed about the whole thing. For example, Kat scares the hell out of him emotionally, she's too confident and forthright. This isn't even a romantic thing necessarily, he's just one of those shy guys at heart.

Landon and Gray have already established a relationship, and there are some interesting undercurrents regarding parentage and suchlike already. Arrotel hasn't connected up with anyone yet, though I'm trying! He would go with those two quite nicely I think.

Heldrik could go either way, my initial feeling was just to make the even 4/4 split. Because one of the eight is an NPC, though, this isn't strictly necessary, it could be 3/5, because either way, it's 3/4 PCs. From an Elder point of view, it might make more sense to have Heldrik under the greatest amount of known, "dependable" scrutiny, that being Roland/Josh/Raevyn/Kat. Then again, they might rather have a team of "knowns" and a team that includes "unknowns," thinking that if someone is a potential plant or traitor or problem, it's probably one of the two unknowns and they should put all the questionable eggs in one basket. So that could go either way. Let me know what you guys think about all that speculation; I don't want to impose order or dash hopes, unless it's a plot device.

[Wired*Nun]

Wow, two horses names Bill, who'd a thunk it?

[Thanos]

I think that Heldrik could go either way. He kinda trusts Kat, which means he wouldn't mind be put in whatever group she is in. However, she is about the only person he will be making any contact with via a trump, so putting him in the other group would not be the worst idea. OOCly Heldrik will not answer trump calls, they are something that he does not know anything about so he will be very wary of them, despite the possibly advantages.

The known vs the unknown seems logical from an Elders view point as well. As long as they have 1 person in that group that they can trust 100% then it will be a proving ground for the unknowns. They can get the 'important' stuff done with the dependable team.

[Wired*Nun]

Also, I wanted to take am IC break in hopes of getting Arrotel in and also so as not to hold you guys up RPing while I am asleep. Haven't seen Icebird since 15-ish yesterday, hopefully he'll take the trump call soon.

[Wired*Nun]

A friend just called, I'm going to go over there for a few hours, then be back to pick up the threads. Once people give their inputs on group compositions, I'll resume the family meeting, Random will dish out assignments, and you can be on your merry way.

[TreyKincaide]

I don't mind in the least where I'm placed. I agree that somewhere with Gray is a good idea as we're established well IC and OOC. However, as elder amberites smell conspiracy in everything they might intentionally break up any preconcieved 'alliances' they've suspected. It doesn't pay to be overly familiar in Amber with someone you like in front of family. Trust usually has very little to do with it more "How can I keep you busy, out of my way, and ensure that you're not going to stab me in the back." Maybe I've just been playing Vampire too long and I'm a jaded bastard :cool:. The mentality of scheming elders does cross apply, though.

[Thanos]

Wow, two horses names Bill, who'd a thunk it?


I thought it was appropriate seeing as there is already a lawyer in the game with the same first name, although its a name more apt for a donkey.....

[chalice]

IC: Given any choice, Gray would stay with (read 'cling to') Landon, as the only slightly known quantity in her messed-up life at the moment.

OOC: For this reason, if Random wants to keep her off-balance (or just be a bastard), he might split them up and cut her adrift. Or he might figure the best way to keep her under control is through the person she seems prepared to trust and keep them together for now.

I have no strong preference, really - haven't met any characters yet I wouldn't enjoy roleplaying with :) However, I hope this won't mean we don't get any chance in future to interract with characters in the other groups? Have only just met them!

[LynMars]

IC, Raevyn's very friendly, and while most comfortable with Josh, Roland, and Kat, would be willing to join any of the others if asked to, since no one's immediately made her go "eww" like Siodmak did (If he were still around, she'd want Roland or Josh around too just cause he scared her right off). She's not sure what she thinks of Heldrik or Landon yet, but Gray almost triggers protective feelings...which is kind of funny coming from Rae, but oh well.

OOC, I don't mind; whatever works best. The ways all ready suggested make sense from the Elder viewpoint, so whatever your preference.

[Shutter]

In OOC space Roland shakes his fist in frustration because he hasn't been given enough information to put one and one together.

[Wired*Nun]

OK, I think we're going to go with my first feeling.

[Pygysys]

I think if the Elders want some measure of success with the groups, they'll put people together who have a rapport of some sort. Amberites by their very nature aren't the most trustworthy individuals and given one's just been murdered, I think the parents will want to know their kids are going to be with others who will have their back so to speak.

[Wired*Nun]

Yes, there are all sorts of good rationales, depending on which motivation is at the forefront. I think this will work, hope it satisfies everyone for the moment.

By the way, Trey, I was almost sad when Landon caved and made peace with Roland, I was enjoying the tiff.

[Wired*Nun]

Anyone heard from Ice?

[chalice]

Not me.

[Wired*Nun]

Suggest you just go forward and we shall get Arrotel in there when we can. Never know, RL may be in the way.

[LynMars]

Considering Icebird's younger than most of us, likely living with parental-type-figures, he probably has limited access times.

And I wouldn't say Landon's forgotten about that "tiff"; I know how Trey thinks...Hope he hasn't annoyed you too badly there, Shutter! It was kinda fun to watch ;) Anyway, I'm off to my face-to-face Amber game! Yay!

[TreyKincaide]

What Lici said. :) Landon wasn't caving in merely recognizing that Roland would be a better asset than detriment.

[Wired*Nun]

I am loving all your Amberesque interactions, by the way. Everyone is doing a great job. I couldn't come up with some of this stuff in a million years; that's the great thing about a group of creative people.

[Wired*Nun]

What Lici said. :) Landon wasn't caving in merely recognizing that Roland would be a better asset than detriment.
I know. My tongue lives in my cheek around here.

[TreyKincaide]

LOL.

I dunno I think that someone raised by Flora would find candor novel now and then.

[chalice]

:sleep: G'night, all. Have to sleep.

[TreyKincaide]

G'night chalice. Pleasant dreams.

[Wired*Nun]

Me too. Nite all, keep up the good work.

[Shutter]

Night you Europe types.

And yeah, I quite enjoyed the exchange as well...good stuff:)

[TreyKincaide]

Well, it doesn't look like Landon's winning any popularity contests at the moment. All he wants be is social. LOL

[Thanos]

I think the military types get annoyed with the social types. However, I am sure that Landon has a great many talents above and beyond his social skills :-O

[Pygysys]

Let's not forget that some of us have 'things' on our mind. So the longer we tarry, the longer they have to think, and that's not always a good thing. Besides, not everyone is always going to get along to begin with. :) I like Landon, Kat just thinks he's a little uppity. :P

[TreyKincaide]

Lol

[Pygysys]

And meanwhile I get the impression that others find Kat uppity. Oh I do love Amber. ;)

[TreyKincaide]

I do too. Toss up between that and Vampire as my favorite games. I dunno, I guess I enjoy letting those darker, nastier aspects of my personality out time to time. Helps me remember that while I could be a bad person I'm not and it means more somehow.

[Pygysys]

Wow. I've often had that same philosophy at times. Sometimes I think too many people think it's easy to be a good person and we do it out of habit. What they often forget that being good isn't all about following the rules and regulations of society, but doing the 'right' thing towards others as well, and wanting to.

As for games though, Pendragon also factors into my top 3, but I prefer darker Pendragon games where that Basteeeeeeeeeed Lancelot gets what's coming to him! *grins* Issues, I have big Lancelot issues and blame my first ever Pendragon GM for them.

[TreyKincaide]

Never played Pendragon. Aside from Call of Cthulu I didn't get a chance to look at many Chaosiam games. I hated Nephilim, though. It could have been really neat, but I got about 3 pages in before tossing it aside. My problems with playing games like Pendragon and Star Wars is doing the setting justice. I understand that it's possible to play in spirit of the story as a better one can't be told, but I'll be damned if I can think of one.

[Pygysys]

Green Knight Publishing now has a hold of Pendragon, never played Nephilim but did play a few games of Cthulu.

I think with my group, we just love and enjoy the setting so much, that we play it when we can. Possibly that and we love trying to restrain ourselves in court situations and not break out into dialogue consisting of: Yo homies, how's it hanging? I don't think Arthur would appreciate such a personal enquiry. :P

[TreyKincaide]

LOL

My third favorite game definately has to be 1st ed L5R. Heroic samurai culture and completely alien codes of being are so facinating. I'm in one of the "Best Courtier Games Ever." We're all Lion and soooo screwed. Can anyone say seppuku?

[Pygysys]

I've never had the chance to play L5R unfortunately. A couple of my friends have and they really enjoyed it. Shame they now live in other cities and therefore can't run it for the rest of us.

I suppose I could buy the books if I was desperate enough, but I'm saving for a new car and so I should hold back on boosting the RP stocks at home. :(

[TreyKincaide]

It's a great game. I can't praise it enough.

[TreyKincaide]

Well, I'm off for the night. Later Pygsys. It was fun.

[Pygysys]

Goodnight Trey. :)

[Thanos]

Unfortunately for Pendragon I dislike any game that allows your character to be killed 5% (or more) of each time the dice is rolled. That means if the smuck that you are fighting gets a critical (whatever their skills number is) your character dies. Fighting a beast or skilled NPC with a higher than 20 skill just makes things obsurd. Chartmaster (erm Rollmaster) is about the same way, IMO.

[Wired*Nun]

True. This may be "realistic" in some senses - combat is dangerous, and luck is involved! It doesn't make for a good game.

[LynMars]

Hey, there's always Traveler; die during character creation! ;) What kind of gaming system is that?

L5R can be a highly lethal system, especially if you're in a duel (they asked an expert on that style of fighting how many times a 3-second round could he swing his blade. His response: "But I only have to hit you once"). The difference there, however, is that it's a Samurai story; if your character dies, especially at the behest of his Lord, or even in combat (either mass or one-on-one) it's usually dramatic and moves the story forward somehow. The game's about the tragedy inherent in a setting where your life is not your own, but belongs wholly and willingly to your Daimyo. Romance plots in L5R...now that's some tragic roleplaying, cause that's probably not the girl your parents picked for you...even worse if she's a geisha you visit. Lethality has a place in systems, but it's how it's presented and if the GM is willing to fudge a bit for dramatic purposes. Trey's GM did that recently in their L5R game, because of his character's Higher Purpose, Destiny, or whatever it was, so the character continued when he really should have joined his honorable ancestors.

I tend to hand out debilitating injuries and severe emotional trauma myself (I'll have to tell you guys about the PC who fell for Nerissa, daughter of Corwin and Moire, sometime--that still ticks him off). Only a few times have I killed a PC. The most memorable for me was a Werewolf game where the player decided his char was going to try to infiltrate her new-found father's Black Spiral Dancer Hive...He was honestly surprised when I walked her down, shoved her in a room and said "You suddenly feel like dancing on the pattern laid out before you. Make a new character. She's a Spiral now, and will be celebrating that with Daddy's pack in the nastiest ways possible later." Then I made his new char part of the pack and help kill the old char and her pack of BSD's. I really enjoyed the roleplaying of the rest of the pack on that one. :evil:

[Pygysys]

When it comes to death and game systems, I cast my vote the way of Cyberpunk. First ever game session and I had 3 characters killed in the one night, the first had the miserable luck of being on the back of a motorcycle that got slammed by a semi. I almost swore off the game then and there, till I found out the GM had it in for me because of the time my character sold his out to the Prince. Still, I've never had anything but rotten luck when it comes to that game.

[Thanos]

OOC
Heldrik was saying that he would take the troops if Arrotal was coming with. Otherwise no.

Part II
Hellriding to good luck doesn't work like heldriding to a place that uses green ink on paper as money. If we know what our prey looks like (ie we know can get a picture, psychic sense) then we can hellride to them. If we know they have a particular object, such as a specific dagger with ruby we can ride for that and at least get close of they still have it.
Right?