REALY OLD school

[Captain Gavis]

The other day I was randomly sorting through some old boxes and I came across my OLD AD&D first ed. books. In a fit of nostalgia had the idea to inquire if anyone would be interested in being in a super old school campaign. so how 'bout it?

[red_dr4g0n94]

You spelled Really wrong.

Unfortunately I did not get into D&D until 3rd edition and don't really have any desire to learn how it differs from baldur's gate's system

[LeadPal]

That's pretty cool. I've never played with it, but I've got the 1st AD&D PHB. I'd consider playing if you're running a classic module.

[zachol]

Oh my god, the oldest I even have is 2e, and I've only paged through it a couple times. I thought 1e was a made up legend or something. *

* this is a joke.

[LeadPal]

If anyone's interested, we could try REALLY REALLY old school (http://xkcd.com/593/).

[Captain Gavis]

You spelled Really wrong.

Unfortunately I did not get into D&D until 3rd edition and don't really have any desire to learn how it differs from baldur's gate's system

I "realy" have a problem with spelling some words correctly and that's why they invented spell check....I'm just usually too lazy to use it.

In other news, "learning" 1st ed is like learning to black out while drunk. Take 3rd minus out feats, skills, the d20 system, the standardized leveling system... pretty much everything from 3rd. First is possibly the most bare-bones edition there is. Combat and saves are done on a multitude of charts which are distinct for each class (which are in the DMG). Each class has its own xp needed to level up. Other than that it's a bunch of guidelines and suggestions no real rules.

Oh my god, the oldest I even have is 2e, and I've only paged through it a couple times. I thought 1e was a made up legend or something. *

* this is a joke.

if you think that 1st ed. was shrouded in myth and legend, then it would probably blow your mind to find out there was D&D BEFORE 1st ed. known as BASIC D&D and I have the books for that set as well.....and it is even simpler than 1st (yay! all the demi-humans are classes not races.... elf can only be a multi-class fighter/magic-user, Halflings must be thieves etc.)

[LeadPal]

And the only really important part of character creation is ability scores. How will we be rolling those anyways? The brutal way, 3d6 in a row?

[Captain Gavis]

supposing there are enough players interested in joining the stat generation would be the brutal, stone age method of rolling dice.... none of that new age "point buy" crud the kids these days use (you will take that 3 and LOVE IT!)

[Mercutio]

Hey, I'm definitely interested. I bought an original Basic Box Set (even included the crayon and dice!) from ebay a few years ago.

[Captain Gavis]

Did you by chance notice that Wizards started printing the 4th ed. books with basic ed 2nd print art work?

[Mercutio]

Yep. Bought a 4th Edition Basic Boxed Set last month, actually. Sitting by my bedside.

Soon as my family gets back on its feet enough to move back into our own apt/home, it's going to go on a shelf right next to the original.

[Captain Gavis]

Sounds like I have 3 potential victi....*cough* players. Correct me if I am wrong.

Mercutio
Leadpal
Zachol?

[zachol]

Argh, no, I don't have the book is the thing.
Sorry, I need to stop posting dumb jokes in recruitment threads.

[Captain Gavis]

that would quite literally be the best thing about AD&D 1st ed. no books are needed unless you are the DM or a spell caster

[zachol]

...no books needed?
Well I suppose I'm in then.

[Mercutio]

1e has THAC0 or tables?

[Gralhruk]

Tables. THACO was a 'simplification' from 2e.

[zachol]

Ahahahahahah wow. This is gonna be great.
Let's see something...
[roll0][roll1][roll2][roll3][roll4][roll5]
AHAHAHAH. Looks like I'm playing a really stupid warrior.

[Mercutio]

Those are HORRENDOUS!

OD&D (the one that is the three tiny booklets - Men & Magic, Monsters and Treasure, and Underworld and Wilderness) is not 1E, correct?

STR [roll0]
INT [roll1]
WIS [roll2]
CON [roll3]
DEX [roll4]
CHA [roll5]

That looks like a pretty serviceable fighting-man, actually.

[zachol]

Wait is that the order?
Jeez that's even worse.

[Mercutio]

Next question, is OSRIC completely compatible with 1E?

It was in OD&D. My 1E books are in storage, but I kept my OD&D booklets out.

Funny - the only edition of D&D that I don't have a PHB style book for is 2E.

[Captain Gavis]

I have no idea if OSRIC works for 1st ed. but i will check it.

[Gralhruk]

OSRIC (http://www.knights-n-knaves.com/osric/) *is* 1st edition. The catch is, it is just the crunch of 1e without the fluff and published under the OGL. But as far as I know, the crunch is exactly the same as the 1st edition rulebooks.

Also, OD&D (original D&D) is not 1e, and is fairly different rule wise.

[Captain Gavis]

apparently there are big differences when doing a side by side comparison. 1st is a no brainer TSR/WotC protected intellectual property isn't included. 2nd psionics aren't in OSRIC nor is the bard(?). 3rd a couple of classes in OSRIC have different xp progressions.

[LeadPal]

Wait is that the order?
Jeez that's even worse.Actually dexterity comes before constitution. If that's the case you couldn't be a fighter, as it requires a minimum of CON 7. I think the only class you'd qualify for is magic-user (minimum INT 9, DEX 6).

But don't worry. The point of 1e D&D is to die over and over until you finally roll high enough to play a real character.

STR [roll0]
INT [roll1]
WIS [roll2]
DEX [roll3]
CON [roll4]
CHA [roll5]

SO CLOSE to playing a druid.

[zachol]

That is completely ridiculous.

[Gralhruk]

And yet it was pretty rare to see a pre-generated character in any of the modules that didn't have at least one 18 and a couple of 16s.

[Captain Gavis]

Should I now reveal that most times (about 90% of the time) I have my players roll 4d6 and drop the lowest die when generating ability scores? I like the little nudge it gives the bell curve in favor of the "players don't die" side of the spectrum.

Also module adventuring was mentioned before, is that something you all would prefer or maybe something from my own personal collection?

[zachol]

Turns out I qualify for Cleric. Yay.
Half-Elf Cleric of Saint Something-Or-Other. Orphan, raised by the church. Hits things with her mace. Kinda fumbly. Gets sick easy. Wants to go on an adventure and hit things with her mace in the name of the Saint, who was renowned for his skill at hitting things with his mace.

I'm fine with any adventure as long as it's fairly mundane and classic. Something dumb like taking a whole week to just barely manage to clean out a cave of goblins for some dinky treasure.

[LeadPal]

In that case maybe [roll0][roll1][roll2][roll3][roll4][roll5]

Oh my god I hope we ARE doing 4d6b3.

I'm leaning towards a module myself. Anything except Tomb of Horrors.

[zachol]

Oh my god. I'm looking over this OSRIC thing and some of the ability requirements they're talking about are ridiculous. Like Paladins. Or the human dual-class requirements.
Also what happens when a half-elf cleric hits level 5? Or a halfling fighter hits 4 or any other thing where a character reaches the level limitation? "Guess you're fucked"?

[Captain Gavis]

most demi-humans take multiple classes to stave off "max" level for as long as possible.

and I can do retarded-ly low powered and classically cliche adventures....I have a specialty in fact. Also you are safe from Tomb of Horrors as I don't own it.

[LeadPal]

All races have at least one multiclass option. The half-elf could eventually be a cleric/fighter/magic-user, the halfling could be a fighter/thief. In hindsight it's a horrible way to balance the system, but it's not like there was a point of reference at the time.

[Mercutio]

With that being the order, my character is definitely the fighter.

In any case, I'm good to go. Stopped by storage and found my copy of the Rules Cyclopedia.

[Captain Gavis]

Alright then...do you want to start with just the three of you or wait another 12 hrs and see if anyone else (maybe a night janitor) wishes to join? either way i'll put in a request for a forum in a bit.

[Mercutio]

Oh, crap, I missed a whole page of posts...

4d6b3!

STR [roll0]
INT [roll1]
WIS [roll2]
DEX [roll3]
CON [roll4]
CHA [roll5]

Oh, sweet! That's definitely a Cleric!

EDIT 3 level one spells! Rock on!

[Mercutio]

Hmm, or maybe a druid?

[zachol]

Wait are we doing 4d6b3?
I swear to god I'm going to manage to get a 3 for one of these.
[roll0][roll1][roll2][roll3][roll4][roll5]

[Mercutio]

Nice! Like LP, I'm game for anything other than Tomb of Horrors, which you already ruled out, so that's cool.

[zachol]

I still like my Half-Elf Cleric. She'll multi into fighter, if it comes up.
So do we roll 1st level hp or something ridiculous like that?

[Mercutio]

That's what the rules say.

[zachol]

This is going to be great.
[roll0]
Fuck yes.

Also [roll1]x10 for starting gold.

[Captain Gavis]

Good news everybody! The Forum request is up! now we play the waiting game.

@Zachol. Since this is a forum game and, just like with the stats issue, I hate having players die I will use my DMing powers once more to give you the gift of full HP at first level. For further levels you will be at the mercy of raw probability XD

[zachol]

But I got max hp for my first level anyway. :sadface:
Should I do Fighter or Cleric for first level?

[AbidingDude]

I've only played back to 2nd, but would love a chance to play some 1e, if you'll have me. Assuming this is the case:

Str [roll0]
Int [roll1]
Wis [roll2]
Dex [roll3]
Con [roll4]
Cha [roll5]

[AbidingDude]

Double post apologies, it's because I'm curious if 3d6 straight loves me better, and don't want to mess up the die roller (if that happens here when you try to edit in a roll).
And so, if we end up rocking traditional rolls :

Str [roll0]
Int [roll1]
Wis [roll2]
Dex [roll3]
Con [roll4]
Cha [roll5]

[LeadPal]

I'm pretty sure I have to play a fighter. EXCEPTIONAL STRENGTH 18/[roll0] YEAH. But I'm thinking I'll either be a dual-classed human fighter/thief or a multiclassed elf fighter/magic-user, since it looks like we'll have a role missing.

[Captain Gavis]

Welcome AD! for those of you not in the know we are up and running here (http://online-roleplaying.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1827)